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	<title>Comments on: Getting Hot as Hell in Florida for SBC Calvinists</title>
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		<title>By: Dr. James Willingham</title>
		<link>http://thin-edge.org/2007/06/06/getting-hot-as-hell-in-florida-for-sbc-calvinists/comment-page-1/#comment-27878</link>
		<dc:creator>Dr. James Willingham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Apr 2009 17:11:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Leaven always produces fermentation. Dr. Leonard in a paper on Baptists in the 18th cent. cites an Episcopalian who commented on the Baptists in NC then engaged in all kinds of arguments. He apparently did not think too much of it. Interestingly enough, my research indicated that while they were fussing, they helped to create the greatest nation on earth, secure religious liberty, united Separate and Regular Baptists, won General Baptists over to being Particular Baptists, launched the Great Century of Missions, experienced the Second Great Awakening, produced one of the early anti-slavery efforts (the Friends of Missions). When we learn through exploring our differences to love one another, then we shall be blessed with that Great Awakening that we need at this time. Some great times are a-coming. The prayers of lifetimes and of centuries and millenniums for Christ to take the whole earth and every soul upon it in one generation and even for a thousand generations might well be nearly upon us. Such is my prayer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Leaven always produces fermentation. Dr. Leonard in a paper on Baptists in the 18th cent. cites an Episcopalian who commented on the Baptists in NC then engaged in all kinds of arguments. He apparently did not think too much of it. Interestingly enough, my research indicated that while they were fussing, they helped to create the greatest nation on earth, secure religious liberty, united Separate and Regular Baptists, won General Baptists over to being Particular Baptists, launched the Great Century of Missions, experienced the Second Great Awakening, produced one of the early anti-slavery efforts (the Friends of Missions). When we learn through exploring our differences to love one another, then we shall be blessed with that Great Awakening that we need at this time. Some great times are a-coming. The prayers of lifetimes and of centuries and millenniums for Christ to take the whole earth and every soul upon it in one generation and even for a thousand generations might well be nearly upon us. Such is my prayer.</p>
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		<title>By: James Willingham</title>
		<link>http://thin-edge.org/2007/06/06/getting-hot-as-hell-in-florida-for-sbc-calvinists/comment-page-1/#comment-24059</link>
		<dc:creator>James Willingham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Nov 2008 02:59:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pshaw! So my ordaining pastor use to say, and so I say. When is it a compromise of the truth to love the blind, deaf, dumb, and dead? Love rejoices with the truth I Cors.13:6. I did 2 yrs. of research in the Greek on I Cors.13 and wrote a 50 papge paper with 305 footnotes for an honors course at SEBTS. Then for my D.Min project I preached 10 sermons on that periocope &amp; gave 10 lectures in black history.  Let us just say we disagree with those who differ &amp; they have more reason to fear that we will infect them than that they will infect us. I should be in Hell, but God&#039;s unconditional love, grace, and kindness changed my course of life.And He can do the same for others who like myself in my atheistic days totally oppose te truth.  Consider the African American Believers in the days of slavery.  Some of them were so great, when sovereign grace Southern Baptists dished out sorry treatment to them under the mistaken notion that they were inferior and should be slaves.  When General Lee thought they could never be our equals, two blacks studied the course materials for a degree from Oxford along with their masters. Check the history of Claflin U. in SC. John Robinson, the Pilgrims&#039; pastor said, &quot;Who knows what new light is getting ready to break forth from God&#039;s word.&quot; That new light, a government of checks and balances, world-wide missions and evangelism, the uniting of people who differed, religious liberty, &amp; more. George Whitefield went out of his way to mend fences with the leading Arminian of his day, John Wesley. Edwards rebuked Whitefield for being so harsh on the unconverted ministry.  And Sandy Creek had eldresses.  Let us flank our opponents with the Gospel of Sovereign Unconditional Love.  How hard is it to do that?  Consider Golgotha.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pshaw! So my ordaining pastor use to say, and so I say. When is it a compromise of the truth to love the blind, deaf, dumb, and dead? Love rejoices with the truth I Cors.13:6. I did 2 yrs. of research in the Greek on I Cors.13 and wrote a 50 papge paper with 305 footnotes for an honors course at SEBTS. Then for my D.Min project I preached 10 sermons on that periocope &amp; gave 10 lectures in black history.  Let us just say we disagree with those who differ &amp; they have more reason to fear that we will infect them than that they will infect us. I should be in Hell, but God&#8217;s unconditional love, grace, and kindness changed my course of life.And He can do the same for others who like myself in my atheistic days totally oppose te truth.  Consider the African American Believers in the days of slavery.  Some of them were so great, when sovereign grace Southern Baptists dished out sorry treatment to them under the mistaken notion that they were inferior and should be slaves.  When General Lee thought they could never be our equals, two blacks studied the course materials for a degree from Oxford along with their masters. Check the history of Claflin U. in SC. John Robinson, the Pilgrims&#8217; pastor said, &#8220;Who knows what new light is getting ready to break forth from God&#8217;s word.&#8221; That new light, a government of checks and balances, world-wide missions and evangelism, the uniting of people who differed, religious liberty, &amp; more. George Whitefield went out of his way to mend fences with the leading Arminian of his day, John Wesley. Edwards rebuked Whitefield for being so harsh on the unconverted ministry.  And Sandy Creek had eldresses.  Let us flank our opponents with the Gospel of Sovereign Unconditional Love.  How hard is it to do that?  Consider Golgotha.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul W. Foltz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul W. Foltz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2008 22:01:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dr. Wllingham
Love [I Corinthians. 13], NEVER compromises the Truth. It&#039;s time for all sovereign grace Baptists in the SBC and Independents, who hold to the Doctrines of Grace, to unite and form a new fellowship or convention.</description>
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Love [I Corinthians. 13], NEVER compromises the Truth. It&#8217;s time for all sovereign grace Baptists in the SBC and Independents, who hold to the Doctrines of Grace, to unite and form a new fellowship or convention.</p>
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		<title>By: James Willingham</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Willingham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2008 21:27:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Google page makes it seem likes I said we should pull out.  God Forbid!  I detest the idea.  Why pull out, when we must pray to take the whole earth for the glory of Christ...not any manipulation, trickery, etc., but by manifestation of the truth truly understood and applied.  Think of how wrong Southern Baptist Sovereign Grace believers were, when they were racists due to being duped by greed and adept manipulation by people with an axe to grind.  Eventually we came to see the error of such foolishness.  Now we need to see how I Cors. 13 applies to theological differences.  If a little true love goes a long way, think how far a really determined effort at love will go.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Google page makes it seem likes I said we should pull out.  God Forbid!  I detest the idea.  Why pull out, when we must pray to take the whole earth for the glory of Christ&#8230;not any manipulation, trickery, etc., but by manifestation of the truth truly understood and applied.  Think of how wrong Southern Baptist Sovereign Grace believers were, when they were racists due to being duped by greed and adept manipulation by people with an axe to grind.  Eventually we came to see the error of such foolishness.  Now we need to see how I Cors. 13 applies to theological differences.  If a little true love goes a long way, think how far a really determined effort at love will go.</p>
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		<title>By: James Willingham</title>
		<link>http://thin-edge.org/2007/06/06/getting-hot-as-hell-in-florida-for-sbc-calvinists/comment-page-1/#comment-22123</link>
		<dc:creator>James Willingham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jun 2008 04:01:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sirs: Pull out of apostate Southern Baptists?  Where shall we go?  Why should we go?  Just because the enemy has made us uncomfortable in God&#039;s house? Why not be like the Marines in Korea.  One said, &quot;We got commies in front of us, commies on either side of us, and commies behind us.  They can&#039;t get away now.&quot; Jesus had Judas as one of the 12, even as the treasurer of the His first church. No one ever said this was going to be easy.  We as sovereign grace believers are called on to try to live better, more faithfully, endure suffering, and grow sweet in the midst of strife and bitter disappointment.  I can&#039;t do that without Sovereign Grace, but God has commanded me to do the impossible, to love my enemies to the point of reconciliation and eternal friendship.  Now that is a human impossibility except by the Grace of our Lord Jesus Christ.

Sovereign Grace Believers had the great awakenings, religious liberty, the freest country on earth, educated and uneducated ministers working together, the great missionary movement, worked with deists, arminians, liberals(?), modernists, postmodernists, etc. Shall we let one who said, &quot;I have just begun to fight,&quot; outdo us in perseverance? Pshaw! as Dr. Ernest R. Campbell use to say. Why should we pull out when sovereign grace people created the SBC, etc?  Why pull out, when the Bible says in Zeph. that God will starve all the gods of the earth?  Why give up when the Bible says, &quot;Where sin abounded, Grace super-abounds?&quot; Why be so weak and knock-kneed that we can&#039;t stand against opposition or hold out when all alone? Why, that is when Jesus gets the glory?

A mother once said to one of her children, a daughter, who said, &quot;you must love ___, ____, &amp; ____ more than me, because there so much smarter than me!&quot;  The mother replied, &quot;I don&#039;t know but what I love you more, cause you try so hard.&quot; A couple took an abused child and carried and loved him until he grew up, that is how God&#039;s love works and we must seek to imitate our Lord out of gratitude for the privilege of trying. Many try right now. I do not want to make any one a five point Calvinist? I want to make him a lover of the Lord Jesus Christ who loved sinners and gave Himself for them. Now I happen to believe the teachings of Sovereign Grace show Jesus in His most winsome light. I once said to a relative of Spurgeon (who did not at that time believe as Charles did) that grace is irresistible. He went out and won a woman who told him after she had received Christ why she had responded so readily: &quot;Oh, it was so wonderful that I could not resist it.&quot;  He said that when she said that, what I had said about grace being irresistible popped into his mind. Forty years later he himself came to believe it, too.

Johnny, Jerry, and John&#039;s ideas are not a problem; they are a challenge for us to prove such views wrong...How? By kind, loving, faithful, gracious, courteous, longsuffering love like the love the Lord Jesus had for us, when we were in sin&#039;s degradation. One day His love proved to be overwhelming in winning us to freely turn from sin to the Savior. An open hand of invitation by God&#039;s grace proves in the long-run to be more irresistible than a clenched fist. The message of the cross is ABSOLUTE PROOF OF THAT FACT. I HAVE A SON WHO IS A PREACHER. WHAT WON HIM TO THE LORD&#039;S SERVICE WAS A SERMON ON &quot;GRATITUDE&quot; BASED ON AN EXPOSITION OF 1 THESS. 5:18. Yes, just the thought of how much thanks he owed to God for His great goodness melted his heart into tears. I am so thankful for the privilege of having a part in that response by preaching just a run-of-the-mill Sunday morning sermon where the results were of God.

I would like to see Johnny, Jerry, and John come to the persuasion of Sovereign Grace by being actually persuaded by Him in all His loving kindness in its most irresistible form: Its winsomeness. I think it was John Wesley wo said to John Newton that he would never despair of any one&#039;s salvation, if God should save a certain person. Newton&#039;s response, &quot;I have never despaired of any being saved, since He saved me.&quot;  Whether that story is true or not, I am unable to say, BUT I CAN SAY THAT AMAZING GRACE IS THE SWEET SOUND THAT SAVED A WRETCH LIKE ME, AND WHY SHOULD I DESPAIR OF ANY INCLUDING THEE?  AND WHY SHOULD I GIVE UP JUST BECAUSE SOME WIZARD OF ID (sic) SEEMS TO THREATEN LIKE THE ONE OF OZ? Gentlemen, for shame, shall we give up so easily or shall we be brave and say, I have just begun to believe? Nothing is harder to resit than an open hand?  Gentlemen, be sweet, be loving, be extra kind?  God will win in the end, and your worst enemies might well become your best friends.  AND THE GLORY SHALL BE TO THE ONE YOU ARE SUPPOSE TO ADORE, THE LORD JESUS CHRIST</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sirs: Pull out of apostate Southern Baptists?  Where shall we go?  Why should we go?  Just because the enemy has made us uncomfortable in God&#8217;s house? Why not be like the Marines in Korea.  One said, &#8220;We got commies in front of us, commies on either side of us, and commies behind us.  They can&#8217;t get away now.&#8221; Jesus had Judas as one of the 12, even as the treasurer of the His first church. No one ever said this was going to be easy.  We as sovereign grace believers are called on to try to live better, more faithfully, endure suffering, and grow sweet in the midst of strife and bitter disappointment.  I can&#8217;t do that without Sovereign Grace, but God has commanded me to do the impossible, to love my enemies to the point of reconciliation and eternal friendship.  Now that is a human impossibility except by the Grace of our Lord Jesus Christ.</p>
<p>Sovereign Grace Believers had the great awakenings, religious liberty, the freest country on earth, educated and uneducated ministers working together, the great missionary movement, worked with deists, arminians, liberals(?), modernists, postmodernists, etc. Shall we let one who said, &#8220;I have just begun to fight,&#8221; outdo us in perseverance? Pshaw! as Dr. Ernest R. Campbell use to say. Why should we pull out when sovereign grace people created the SBC, etc?  Why pull out, when the Bible says in Zeph. that God will starve all the gods of the earth?  Why give up when the Bible says, &#8220;Where sin abounded, Grace super-abounds?&#8221; Why be so weak and knock-kneed that we can&#8217;t stand against opposition or hold out when all alone? Why, that is when Jesus gets the glory?</p>
<p>A mother once said to one of her children, a daughter, who said, &#8220;you must love ___, ____, &amp; ____ more than me, because there so much smarter than me!&#8221;  The mother replied, &#8220;I don&#8217;t know but what I love you more, cause you try so hard.&#8221; A couple took an abused child and carried and loved him until he grew up, that is how God&#8217;s love works and we must seek to imitate our Lord out of gratitude for the privilege of trying. Many try right now. I do not want to make any one a five point Calvinist? I want to make him a lover of the Lord Jesus Christ who loved sinners and gave Himself for them. Now I happen to believe the teachings of Sovereign Grace show Jesus in His most winsome light. I once said to a relative of Spurgeon (who did not at that time believe as Charles did) that grace is irresistible. He went out and won a woman who told him after she had received Christ why she had responded so readily: &#8220;Oh, it was so wonderful that I could not resist it.&#8221;  He said that when she said that, what I had said about grace being irresistible popped into his mind. Forty years later he himself came to believe it, too.</p>
<p>Johnny, Jerry, and John&#8217;s ideas are not a problem; they are a challenge for us to prove such views wrong&#8230;How? By kind, loving, faithful, gracious, courteous, longsuffering love like the love the Lord Jesus had for us, when we were in sin&#8217;s degradation. One day His love proved to be overwhelming in winning us to freely turn from sin to the Savior. An open hand of invitation by God&#8217;s grace proves in the long-run to be more irresistible than a clenched fist. The message of the cross is ABSOLUTE PROOF OF THAT FACT. I HAVE A SON WHO IS A PREACHER. WHAT WON HIM TO THE LORD&#8217;S SERVICE WAS A SERMON ON &#8220;GRATITUDE&#8221; BASED ON AN EXPOSITION OF 1 THESS. 5:18. Yes, just the thought of how much thanks he owed to God for His great goodness melted his heart into tears. I am so thankful for the privilege of having a part in that response by preaching just a run-of-the-mill Sunday morning sermon where the results were of God.</p>
<p>I would like to see Johnny, Jerry, and John come to the persuasion of Sovereign Grace by being actually persuaded by Him in all His loving kindness in its most irresistible form: Its winsomeness. I think it was John Wesley wo said to John Newton that he would never despair of any one&#8217;s salvation, if God should save a certain person. Newton&#8217;s response, &#8220;I have never despaired of any being saved, since He saved me.&#8221;  Whether that story is true or not, I am unable to say, BUT I CAN SAY THAT AMAZING GRACE IS THE SWEET SOUND THAT SAVED A WRETCH LIKE ME, AND WHY SHOULD I DESPAIR OF ANY INCLUDING THEE?  AND WHY SHOULD I GIVE UP JUST BECAUSE SOME WIZARD OF ID (sic) SEEMS TO THREATEN LIKE THE ONE OF OZ? Gentlemen, for shame, shall we give up so easily or shall we be brave and say, I have just begun to believe? Nothing is harder to resit than an open hand?  Gentlemen, be sweet, be loving, be extra kind?  God will win in the end, and your worst enemies might well become your best friends.  AND THE GLORY SHALL BE TO THE ONE YOU ARE SUPPOSE TO ADORE, THE LORD JESUS CHRIST</p>
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		<title>By: Paul W. Foltz</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jun 2008 15:13:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is time for all sovereign Grace Baptists, to pull out of the apostate SBC and form a fellowship, including Sovereign Grace Independent Baptists.

The recent election of Johnny Hunt shows this.</description>
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<p>The recent election of Johnny Hunt shows this.</p>
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