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	<title>Comments on: North American church planters and their magic</title>
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		<title>By: Bill Lollar</title>
		<link>http://thin-edge.org/2007/09/04/north-american-church-planters-and-their-magic/#comment-448</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bill Lollar]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Sep 2007 21:17:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;b&gt;Karen:&lt;/b&gt; Thanks for visiting! It&#039;s always great to have new people dropping in, so please make yourself comfortable.

I believe that much of what is being passed off as &quot;church planting&quot; in North America is nothing more than what I would call &quot;Christian franchising&quot; or to use a really old Southern Baptist phrase, &quot;church extension.&quot; I once worked as a church planting missionary with the SBC, and I can&#039;t tell you how many times I&#039;ve heard the phrase, &quot;Well, we don&#039;t have  a SOUTHERN BAPTIST CHURCH in such-and-such a town or county.&quot; The attitude seems no different than opening up a McDonalds franchise in many respects: people like the menu, the prices, the amenities, and the parking. It&#039;s comfortable. It&#039;s what they know.

But it wouldn&#039;t be fair to paint everyone with such broad strokes, because I have met many church planters who made it their aim to reach lost people, to the extent that they actually discouraged people joining them from other churches. However, they still labored under the illusion that church planting was supposed to be complicated, a special calling for God&#039;s elite, and an opportunity to do things a little differently than the traditional church down the street. You know, &quot;we&#039;re the cool church that serves lattes and cappucinos while we watch video clips and sing the latest CCM music.&quot;

Both groups, I think, miss the simplicity of New Testament Christianity, where people simply shared their faith within their present network until others joined them as disciples. When their home became too crowded, they met in two homes, then three, and so on. But it seems that we have become too sophisticated for such a simple, reproducible Christian model of church.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Karen:</b> Thanks for visiting! It&#8217;s always great to have new people dropping in, so please make yourself comfortable.</p>
<p>I believe that much of what is being passed off as &#8220;church planting&#8221; in North America is nothing more than what I would call &#8220;Christian franchising&#8221; or to use a really old Southern Baptist phrase, &#8220;church extension.&#8221; I once worked as a church planting missionary with the SBC, and I can&#8217;t tell you how many times I&#8217;ve heard the phrase, &#8220;Well, we don&#8217;t have  a SOUTHERN BAPTIST CHURCH in such-and-such a town or county.&#8221; The attitude seems no different than opening up a McDonalds franchise in many respects: people like the menu, the prices, the amenities, and the parking. It&#8217;s comfortable. It&#8217;s what they know.</p>
<p>But it wouldn&#8217;t be fair to paint everyone with such broad strokes, because I have met many church planters who made it their aim to reach lost people, to the extent that they actually discouraged people joining them from other churches. However, they still labored under the illusion that church planting was supposed to be complicated, a special calling for God&#8217;s elite, and an opportunity to do things a little differently than the traditional church down the street. You know, &#8220;we&#8217;re the cool church that serves lattes and cappucinos while we watch video clips and sing the latest CCM music.&#8221;</p>
<p>Both groups, I think, miss the simplicity of New Testament Christianity, where people simply shared their faith within their present network until others joined them as disciples. When their home became too crowded, they met in two homes, then three, and so on. But it seems that we have become too sophisticated for such a simple, reproducible Christian model of church.</p>
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		<title>By: Karen</title>
		<link>http://thin-edge.org/2007/09/04/north-american-church-planters-and-their-magic/#comment-447</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Sep 2007 19:18:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi Bill,
I&#039;m new here.  Just happened by. I don&#039;t have a long time to sit and read everything you&#039;ve got here (mom of 5) , and I need to ask a question.  Please don&#039;t take this with ANY degree of cynicism or negativity because none is intended.  I figure you are a great person to ask because of your background in church planting.  I know what I&#039;m hoping your answer will be but I would like an HONEST answer more than anything.

In your years of church planting, have you truly seen churches planted with new believers or is what you generally end up with a majority of believers that have left their churches to come to your plant?  There are SO many churches in the U.S. today and within a block or two in any of the suburbs you might see three different variations on the same denomination.  So why do we keep planting?  I don&#039;t ask this to denigrate what you do.....I&#039;m just curious what a church planter&#039;s take is on this.  You can perceive a little more about where I&#039;m coming from if you give a glance at my blog.
Thanks, and have a lovely day!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Bill,<br />
I&#8217;m new here.  Just happened by. I don&#8217;t have a long time to sit and read everything you&#8217;ve got here (mom of 5) , and I need to ask a question.  Please don&#8217;t take this with ANY degree of cynicism or negativity because none is intended.  I figure you are a great person to ask because of your background in church planting.  I know what I&#8217;m hoping your answer will be but I would like an HONEST answer more than anything.</p>
<p>In your years of church planting, have you truly seen churches planted with new believers or is what you generally end up with a majority of believers that have left their churches to come to your plant?  There are SO many churches in the U.S. today and within a block or two in any of the suburbs you might see three different variations on the same denomination.  So why do we keep planting?  I don&#8217;t ask this to denigrate what you do&#8230;..I&#8217;m just curious what a church planter&#8217;s take is on this.  You can perceive a little more about where I&#8217;m coming from if you give a glance at my blog.<br />
Thanks, and have a lovely day!</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff</title>
		<link>http://thin-edge.org/2007/09/04/north-american-church-planters-and-their-magic/#comment-446</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jeff]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Sep 2007 18:22:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Bill,
Great post as always.

Jeff]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bill,<br />
Great post as always.</p>
<p>Jeff</p>
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		<title>By: AJ</title>
		<link>http://thin-edge.org/2007/09/04/north-american-church-planters-and-their-magic/#comment-445</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Sep 2007 21:40:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Heh heh. I definitely resonate with parts of this post. As a guy pursuing urban North American church planting, I&#039;m still trying to figure out what approach to adopt. The process sometimes seems overly complex to me, and I find myself wishing for a more straight forward approach.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Heh heh. I definitely resonate with parts of this post. As a guy pursuing urban North American church planting, I&#8217;m still trying to figure out what approach to adopt. The process sometimes seems overly complex to me, and I find myself wishing for a more straight forward approach.</p>
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