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	<title>Comments on: So which 501(c)3 do you attend?</title>
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		<title>By: Greg Alford</title>
		<link>http://thin-edge.org/2008/10/28/so-which-501c3-do-you-attend/#comment-1060</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greg Alford]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Nov 2008 02:46:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Bill,

I really like the model you have laid out hereâ€¦ actually, this is exactly what our Elders started praying about doing 3 months agoâ€¦ We are still praying, and will do so until we are in unity of agreement that this is what God would have us doâ€¦ But, it is encouraging to hear that you have been lead to go this way.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bill,</p>
<p>I really like the model you have laid out hereâ€¦ actually, this is exactly what our Elders started praying about doing 3 months agoâ€¦ We are still praying, and will do so until we are in unity of agreement that this is what God would have us doâ€¦ But, it is encouraging to hear that you have been lead to go this way.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul W. Foltz</title>
		<link>http://thin-edge.org/2008/10/28/so-which-501c3-do-you-attend/#comment-1059</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Paul W. Foltz]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 15:36:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The institutional church has not hindered evangelism, but worldliness with in it has.

Most churches members dress like the world, frequent the same places, as the world, that they have lost their testimony&#039;s impact in reaching the lost.

Brother Greg, Brother Bill, that&#039;s why we need REVIVAL, which would lead ultimately to a Spiritual Awakening.

Paul W. Foltz]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The institutional church has not hindered evangelism, but worldliness with in it has.</p>
<p>Most churches members dress like the world, frequent the same places, as the world, that they have lost their testimony&#8217;s impact in reaching the lost.</p>
<p>Brother Greg, Brother Bill, that&#8217;s why we need REVIVAL, which would lead ultimately to a Spiritual Awakening.</p>
<p>Paul W. Foltz</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Lollar</title>
		<link>http://thin-edge.org/2008/10/28/so-which-501c3-do-you-attend/#comment-1058</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bill Lollar]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 10:41:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;b&gt;Greg:&lt;/b&gt; Thanks for taking the risk and exploring my &quot;what if&quot; question. It&#039;s amazing how Father reveals the most profound truths to those who are willing to look past the status quo and our traditions.

That&#039;s why I changed my tagline to &quot;Exploring the freedom and simplicity of relational Christianity&quot; several months ago. It&#039;s not about meetings and programs, but a deepening relationship with God and with one another that brings maturity and new life as we journey together.

Recently, I heard someone express the basic essence of Christian living this way (substituting my own surname), &quot;Asking me where I go to church is like asking me where I go to Lollar. It doesn&#039;t make sense, because I am a Lollar and that identity goes with me everywhere I go.&quot; We ARE the church: we don&#039;t GO to church.

Here&#039;s a great article on &lt;a href=&quot;http://postcongregational.wordpress.com/2008/04/23/a-typical-week-outside-the-box-of-organized-religion/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;A typical week &quot;outside the box&quot; of organized religion.&lt;/a&gt;

To answer your last question, I would say that much of what we do (within the institutional church) is a distraction from the main task before us. God&#039;s people become spectators instead of participants. It doesn&#039;t have to be this way and many traditional congregations are discovering fresh new ways to reinvent themselves for the sake of their community. Our church here has moved to one service on Sunday morning and we are placing more emphasis on meeting together during the week in one another&#039;s homes. Eventually, we hope to become known as a network of home-based congregations with a weekly celebration, rather than a program-based church that has home Bible studies.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Greg:</b> Thanks for taking the risk and exploring my &#8220;what if&#8221; question. It&#8217;s amazing how Father reveals the most profound truths to those who are willing to look past the status quo and our traditions.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s why I changed my tagline to &#8220;Exploring the freedom and simplicity of relational Christianity&#8221; several months ago. It&#8217;s not about meetings and programs, but a deepening relationship with God and with one another that brings maturity and new life as we journey together.</p>
<p>Recently, I heard someone express the basic essence of Christian living this way (substituting my own surname), &#8220;Asking me where I go to church is like asking me where I go to Lollar. It doesn&#8217;t make sense, because I am a Lollar and that identity goes with me everywhere I go.&#8221; We ARE the church: we don&#8217;t GO to church.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s a great article on <a href="http://postcongregational.wordpress.com/2008/04/23/a-typical-week-outside-the-box-of-organized-religion/" rel="nofollow">A typical week &#8220;outside the box&#8221; of organized religion.</a></p>
<p>To answer your last question, I would say that much of what we do (within the institutional church) is a distraction from the main task before us. God&#8217;s people become spectators instead of participants. It doesn&#8217;t have to be this way and many traditional congregations are discovering fresh new ways to reinvent themselves for the sake of their community. Our church here has moved to one service on Sunday morning and we are placing more emphasis on meeting together during the week in one another&#8217;s homes. Eventually, we hope to become known as a network of home-based congregations with a weekly celebration, rather than a program-based church that has home Bible studies.</p>
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		<title>By: Greg Alford</title>
		<link>http://thin-edge.org/2008/10/28/so-which-501c3-do-you-attend/#comment-1057</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greg Alford]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 03:26:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Bill,

Ok... but only because I feel like you are trying to teach me something here :-)

If it were no longer an option for me to attend an organized church within my community, I am sure I would worship with my family on Sundays... and spend much of my newly found free time sharing the Gospel with those in my community and inviting them to come to my home for bible study and worship with my family on Sunday mornings... at which time as soon as anyone takes me up on it we have an underground or house church (where two or more are gathered...)

I guess I would be more of a missionary in my community if there were no organized church... Wow, now that is confession I was not expecting to make.

So Bill, can it be true that an organized church can lead to less sharing of the Gospel in a community?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bill,</p>
<p>Ok&#8230; but only because I feel like you are trying to teach me something here <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>If it were no longer an option for me to attend an organized church within my community, I am sure I would worship with my family on Sundays&#8230; and spend much of my newly found free time sharing the Gospel with those in my community and inviting them to come to my home for bible study and worship with my family on Sunday mornings&#8230; at which time as soon as anyone takes me up on it we have an underground or house church (where two or more are gathered&#8230;)</p>
<p>I guess I would be more of a missionary in my community if there were no organized church&#8230; Wow, now that is confession I was not expecting to make.</p>
<p>So Bill, can it be true that an organized church can lead to less sharing of the Gospel in a community?</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Lollar</title>
		<link>http://thin-edge.org/2008/10/28/so-which-501c3-do-you-attend/#comment-1056</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bill Lollar]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Nov 2008 22:13:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;b&gt;Greg:&lt;/b&gt; You said, &quot;That is a great question, and one I am not in any way qualified to answer...&quot;

Of course you&#039;re qualified to answer! You&#039;ve read the Bible, haven&#039;t you? You&#039;re a follower of Jesus! C&#039;mon, what do you think it might look like in the Panhandle of Florida? If you no longer had to &quot;go to church&quot; every Sunday and you could divert all that extra time (previously spent attending endless &quot;church&quot; meetings) to being salt and light in the community...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Greg:</b> You said, &#8220;That is a great question, and one I am not in any way qualified to answer&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>Of course you&#8217;re qualified to answer! You&#8217;ve read the Bible, haven&#8217;t you? You&#8217;re a follower of Jesus! C&#8217;mon, what do you think it might look like in the Panhandle of Florida? If you no longer had to &#8220;go to church&#8221; every Sunday and you could divert all that extra time (previously spent attending endless &#8220;church&#8221; meetings) to being salt and light in the community&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Paul W. Foltz</title>
		<link>http://thin-edge.org/2008/10/28/so-which-501c3-do-you-attend/#comment-1055</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Paul W. Foltz]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Nov 2008 19:27:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Profession without Possession equals Nothing.
That&#039;s the plight of Christendom today.
In China, Persecution has purged The Church.

It may soon happen in our Country.
America hates Christ and Christians.
The Church then will go underground, but it will be stronger then she is today.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Profession without Possession equals Nothing.<br />
That&#8217;s the plight of Christendom today.<br />
In China, Persecution has purged The Church.</p>
<p>It may soon happen in our Country.<br />
America hates Christ and Christians.<br />
The Church then will go underground, but it will be stronger then she is today.</p>
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		<title>By: Greg Alford</title>
		<link>http://thin-edge.org/2008/10/28/so-which-501c3-do-you-attend/#comment-1054</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greg Alford]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Nov 2008 18:47:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Bill,

You ask â€œSo what do you think someoneâ€™s walk with God would look like outside the institutional church?â€

That is a great question, and one I am not in any way qualified to answerâ€¦ I think we would need to look to those brothers and sisters living in countries where the institutional church is banned for our answerâ€¦ say like China.

I do however know this; there would be no â€œAccidental Christiansâ€â€¦ one would by necessity have to pursue their faith â€œIntentionallyâ€.

Grace Always,]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bill,</p>
<p>You ask â€œSo what do you think someoneâ€™s walk with God would look like outside the institutional church?â€</p>
<p>That is a great question, and one I am not in any way qualified to answerâ€¦ I think we would need to look to those brothers and sisters living in countries where the institutional church is banned for our answerâ€¦ say like China.</p>
<p>I do however know this; there would be no â€œAccidental Christiansâ€â€¦ one would by necessity have to pursue their faith â€œIntentionallyâ€.</p>
<p>Grace Always,</p>
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		<title>By: Paul W. Foltz</title>
		<link>http://thin-edge.org/2008/10/28/so-which-501c3-do-you-attend/#comment-1053</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Paul W. Foltz]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Nov 2008 20:46:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The Church, although in the world is not to be of the world. It is to be a living organism, not a organization.

Members of the early church sold everything, possessed nothing, used the funds to meet one another&#039;s needs.

We in reality possess nothing. God owns it all.
We only use what He lets us use.

Paul W. Foltz]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Church, although in the world is not to be of the world. It is to be a living organism, not a organization.</p>
<p>Members of the early church sold everything, possessed nothing, used the funds to meet one another&#8217;s needs.</p>
<p>We in reality possess nothing. God owns it all.<br />
We only use what He lets us use.</p>
<p>Paul W. Foltz</p>
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		<title>By: Tom M.</title>
		<link>http://thin-edge.org/2008/10/28/so-which-501c3-do-you-attend/#comment-1052</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tom M.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Nov 2008 02:55:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Oh Bill, you know you&#039;re just jealous.  Besides, doesn&#039;t the Bible teach us that we are to tell the government how much we&#039;re giving to the Lord so we can get a good tax break?   ;).

James 1 25-27 is a good picture of the Church to me.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh Bill, you know you&#8217;re just jealous.  Besides, doesn&#8217;t the Bible teach us that we are to tell the government how much we&#8217;re giving to the Lord so we can get a good tax break?   <img src='http://s1.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> .</p>
<p>James 1 25-27 is a good picture of the Church to me.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Lollar</title>
		<link>http://thin-edge.org/2008/10/28/so-which-501c3-do-you-attend/#comment-1051</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bill Lollar]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Oct 2008 17:18:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You&#039;re right, Greg. The early church didn&#039;t own any property or buildings until the 4th Century. But my description in this article is exactly where many 501(c)3&#039;s are heading in America: if they&#039;re not there yet, it&#039;s where they would like to be. By the way, the picture above is First Assembly of God in Orlando, for quite a few years the venue for the annual conference of Ligonier Ministries.

So what do you think someone&#039;s &quot;walk with God&quot; would look like outside the institutional church? Have you ever thought seriously about it? I have asked this question in various ways over the past couple of years and, so far, no one has really taken up the challenge to answer it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re right, Greg. The early church didn&#8217;t own any property or buildings until the 4th Century. But my description in this article is exactly where many 501(c)3&#8242;s are heading in America: if they&#8217;re not there yet, it&#8217;s where they would like to be. By the way, the picture above is First Assembly of God in Orlando, for quite a few years the venue for the annual conference of Ligonier Ministries.</p>
<p>So what do you think someone&#8217;s &#8220;walk with God&#8221; would look like outside the institutional church? Have you ever thought seriously about it? I have asked this question in various ways over the past couple of years and, so far, no one has really taken up the challenge to answer it.</p>
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