The Thin Edge hosts joint interview with Barna & Viola

Image © iStockPhoto (all rights reserved)Several weeks ago, I announced that The Thin Edge would be hosting the very first blog interview of George Barna and Frank Viola, co-authors of the new book, Pagan Christianity: Exploring the Roots of Our Church Practices. Their eye-opening book has been printed under the Barna imprint of Tyndale House Publishing and officially launched earlier this month. Amazingly, the book has rocketed up the charts for Amazon: as of this moment, it’s ranked #16 among Christian books and #285 in all books (out of 6,000,000 titles) sold by Amazon.com. Reviews are also overwhelmingly positive. Out of 37 customer reviews at Amazon, 28 readers award the coveted 5-star rating: there were only 3 negative reviews.

If someone had predicted five or six years ago that these two men would collaborate on any type of book, I might have questioned your sanity and I would almost certainly have been willing to dismiss such a proposal as total nonsense. I had read books by both authors and—at least from my perspective—they seemed miles apart. In my mind, Frank Viola was the stereotypical, iconoclastic, “house church” advocate whose writings were relatively unknown in mainstream evangelicalism; however, nearly every American evangelical had the words “George Barna” etched in their minds through repeated quotations from The Barna Group in sermons, seminars, denominational training sessions, seminary classrooms, as well as print media. Well, all that has now changed!

Before we get started with the interview, I want to express my appreciation to George and Frank for their willingness to answer my questions. Each brother brings a unique perspective to Pagan Christianity, yet they have found common ground and a common voice within the pages of this project. One thing is certain: you will not be able to read this book and simply walk away unchanged by its message. Well, let’s get started, shall we? Continue reading

What are Barna & Viola really up to?

Image © William D. LollarAs I stated in my previous post, George Barna and Frank Viola's recent collaborative project, Pagan Christianity, has created some lively discussion and debate among bloggers, particularly those who serve in full-time vocational ministry. This is to be expected. The book simultaneously engages multiple targets that impact them and their future: like sermons, pastors, church buildings, ministers of music, tithing, clergy salaries, and Christian education. Continue reading

Pagan Christianity :: Publisher's Preface

With so much heated rhetoric flying around the blogosphere regarding the newly revised and updated Pagan Christianity by George Barna and Frank Viola, I thought some readers might like to read the Publisher's Preface, written by Tyndale House, especially noting the statements I have underlined:

Dear Reader,

Perhaps you wonder why a publisher of Christian books would release a book that questions so many common church practices. Please be aware, however, that the authors are not questioning the validity or importance of the church. Instead, they are asking us to thoughtfully consider the source of our churches' traditions and then ask how those practices square with Scripture and the practices of the first-century church. Many in the church hold to tradition, even if it is not grounded in Scripture, and these same people wonder why the church seems to be losing its relevance and impact in the contemporary world.

Tyndale does not necessarily agree with all of the authors' positions and realizes that some readers may not either. At the same time, we stand united with Frank and George in our desire to see the church operate according to biblical principles and be a full expression of God's grace and truth. Furthermore, the authors raise important questions based on their careful research, study, and experiences, and we believe these questions should not be ignored. Our aim is for you to consider their conclusions and then pray seriously about your response.

The Publisher

I just received my copy of this book today, so I may be sharing a few pertinent quotes and insights as I make my way through its pages over the next several weeks (or months if I take the footnotes seriously).

Jumping on bandwagons, falling off

"Old" Vaynor Church, Near Merthyr Tydfil, Wales

Our church is launching 40 Days of Community this Sunday: virtually the same time as last year's 40 Days of Purpose. My attitude towards anything Saddleback has not improved since I left the United States; in fact, I came to the United Kingdom hoping to get away from the bravado of such ultra-American evangelical cheesiness. But God evidently has a sense of humor and so here I am, the director of a Saddleback campaign: a 40-day program to bring "community" to the local church. I've never liked bandwagons or jumping on the nearest one. Continue reading

The Babel Conspiracy :: Religion DNA Remix

The JetsonsRemember the “Tower of Babel” story in Genesis 11:1–9 where the descendants of Noah and his sons began using their construction technology to make a name for themselves? I have a friend who believes that the technological advances of their day might surprise even a twenty-first century time traveler; and his imagination goes a little wild—especially when he’s off his medication—saying that they might have invented things that makes our best stuff look like it came with a Happy Meal at McDonald’s. He’s dead serious. Things like personal space craft (George Jetson-style), teleportation devices (“Beam me up, Scotty!”), and prepackaged intelligence downloads (Neo’s martial arts training in Matrix). I’m not sure I agree with him, but I do sometimes wonder about the cool stuff that Steve Jobs and the Apple gang could invent if they lived 969 years like Methuselah! Continue reading

Are we living Christianity, or just studying it?

Image © iStockPhotoFlashing lights and buzzers go off inside my head whenever I see the name, Søren Kierkegaard. It’s part of my fundamentalist training that instinctively and quickly manifests itself like Jason Bourne’s martial arts skills in The Bourne Identity. In the early eighties when I began my seminary training there were two opposing factions: the inerrantists (aka “orthodox” Christians) and everyone else, sometimes referred to as neo-orthodox or liberal. Barth or Kierkegaard or Bruner or Bultmann were dangerous to read, we were told in seminary, unless you were studying them as a PhD candidate bent on waging war with their heretical doctrines for the sake of the kingdom. Continue reading

Did Jesus really abolish status?

In Jesus never spoke to prostitutes, one of the members of the UK’s Dream Worship Network points out what all of us know deep down: there is no room for big shots in the body of Christ! It’s a chorus that’s getting louder and more clearly discernible within alternative movements in the Christian community.

Jesus started a new community where there are no VIPs. Where children, the homeless and the elderly get as much status as doctors, directors, and archbishops. In the early days they took it really seriously. They even made the rich people sit in the worst seats as a reminder.

But soon the rot began to creep back in. Those who were leaders (Jesus had called them ‘servants’—the cleaners and cooks for the community) reinvented priesthood—or gave it new names like ‘senior pastor’. Those who were followers happily colluded, welcoming the chance to confirm their nobody-ness and escape the responsibilities of “ministry”.

Now the real problem, since I tend to view things—might I dare say “more prophetically” without others picking up stones—is that we see just the opposite in our contemporary Christian context. There may be a few places in the world that would be blessed exceptions to this sweeping generalization, but why in God’s name do we continue to perpetuate just the opposite model? Why? Are we afraid? Does it take fire and brimstone to get our attention? Are we so unbelievably compromised that we’re not willing to walk away from status and elitism and benefits and retirement accounts, hoping that God really doesn’t mind all that much?

Imagine a church…

…where the “five purposes” are not just words on a banner

…brimming with life and growth and joy in the Holy Spirit

…where everyone knows—really knows—everyone else

…where love is shown to everyone in unmistakable ways

…that experiences a “we can’t wait to be with one another again” spirit

…where encouragement runs freely without being artificially forced

…that feels like a loving, normal, extended family

…where ordinary people do what needs to be done because they want to

…where worship happens spontaneously, rather than being scheduled

…that reaches people wherever they happen to be

…becoming more a sense of identity and purpose than a geographical location

…no longer obsessed with maintenance and stability, but transformation

…that gives 100% of its resources to benevolence, missions and social action

…where lives and homes and things are shared openly with one another

…where each person participates and shares their spiritual giftedness

…where the Christian faith is an authentic life experience, not just a system of belief

…that causes people to ask questions like, “What makes your life so different?”

…that creates thirst within others for the Living Water that only Jesus can give

—Bill Lollar—

From the "what would happen?" department

Image © Bill LollarAn interesting article, "What would happen if all institutional churches closed their doors?" at the Post-Congregational Christianity blog.

If all of our official church meetings ceased to exist—not the spontaneous fellowship between Christian friends—how would you invest those hours for the expansion of the kingdom and the proclamation of the good news? Would you be relieved or worried? Delirious with joy or burdened with guilt? Would you have more time to get to know your neighbors, volunteer at a local soup kitchen or homeless shelter, visit the sick and elderly, and spend time with disadvantaged children and youth? Could your time investment be a more effective way to build bridges for the good news of Jesus Christ, or would you rather pay a professional missionary/evangelist to do it? Continue reading

Prayer, parables, and parties

Image © Bill LollarDo you ever get tired of church meetings? Our church leadership team meets once a month and those meetings typically last an agonizing three hours: discussing all sorts of things that, at the moment, seem important to the efficient operation and ministry of the church. Last week’s focus was primarily aimed at things related to the Sunday morning gathering: the children’s sermon, structure of the worship service, an upcoming “40 Days” campaign, janitorial responsibilities, and various special emphases in the morning worship over the next six weeks or so. In other words, we have meetings to talk about other meetings! Continue reading